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REAL ID Rules Everyone Needs to Know!

Posted by Rod Klingler, Wednesday, 21 May 2025.

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No matter what anyone says, REAL ID is a de facto national ID card! It WILL be used to tie together all of the existing federal databases, and it will contain your biometrics. What can YOU do about it?

This is an excerpt from The Silent INVASION of YOUR Town. View Ben’s full interview on the Dangerous Info podcast here: https://treeoflibertysociety.com/the-silent-invasion-of-your-town/

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The power of the 10th Amendment, Ben, is something that modern day people doesn't— we just don't seem to understand the power of that. Am I right in saying that? Oh, we do not understand. Because if we did, the federal government would not be as big as it is today. Yeah, and keeps getting bigger and bigger. Let's get into the real ID, because I don't know if— Yeah.

It's in the media right now. To transition to that real quick, if it's OK, you talk about not enough people doing nullification. It was something that was done very often in the first— up to the 1850s and '60s. But then it kind of died off. But then you have, again, you have Rosa Parks refusing to go to the front of the bus. That's nullification— I mean, back of the bus. That's nullification.

You go to the 2000s, and you go to Obamacare. When the mandate was still there, you had states like Ohio saying, you know what? Their legislature passed legislation saying, we are not going to enforce that in our state. And any federal government that comes in there to enforce that, we're not going to allow it. And so people don't realize that. That never made, of course, the headline news at CNN, Fox, or MSNBC, because they don't want you to know about nullification.

And then with the real ID, that's a lot of confusion with the real ID. But there are a lot of states— and I was involved in this in the early 2000s, especially, stopping the real ID. Some people don't know what it is, so they think, why are you against real ID? They think it means an identification that is real. And just— Clever name. The power of it shouldn't be.

They always use Orwellian doublespeak to name their bills, like the Patriot Act. No child left behind. And they did the same thing with real ID. It's an acronym, capital R-E-A-L. And what it is, it's a national ID, where they were never given authority to create a federal ID. It was left to each state to set the standards for that. And it was separate. There was no communication between the states.

It was each one had the ability to be able to define what allowed you to get an identification in their state. And then if you moved from a different state that had different standards, and you moved in, and it didn't meet those standards, they would make you go through and produce more materials to be able to get an ID for that state. I used to live in Washington state, and I moved to Arizona. And I had to do that very same thing.

I moved to a different state, and I had to produce different materials than I had to produce to the state of Washington. In 2005, the W. Bush administration introduced legislation into a Republican Congress. And so people think, oh, a Republican. Oh, in presidency. Oh, a Republican in the Congress. It must be good, right? And it was to fight terrorism, just like the Patriot Act.

And what they said that they wanted to do was to have this national database. Think when you go to Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union when they ask you for your papers. Papers, please. That's what's going on here. It's a national ID card that removes the autonomy and the independence of your state deciding what to do and puts into now a federal database where now the ATF, the FBI, they can access this any time they want to and find out all the information they want about you.

You're tracking. Where are you going? What kind of things are you buying? Just the things that— anything that they can do to be able to centralize control. And if you don't get it, you're not allowed to fly. You're not allowed to go to a federal courthouse. You're not allowed to visit monuments. You can't go to the Capitol building in DC. You can't go to the White House on a school tour if you don't have this new national ID card that is very much the hallmark of totalitarianism and great liberty people.

Not fake liberty people that you show in those pictures of these communists pretending to be liberty people, but real liberty people like Dr. Ron Paul have been fighting this and talking about it ever since it first was introduced in 2005. And when I was in Arizona, I led the effort there to get their state. And there were 21 states that said, you know what? We're not going to go along with that. They passed nullification saying we're not going to do that.

And so right now, those states that are still not complying, the feds are now under Homeland Security. The federal government is saying that if you don't get this by May, you're not going to be allowed to fly. You're not going to be able to do these things. And so they're trying to squeeze you to implement their tyranny voluntarily by, oh, you've got the card of your own free will. Nobody forced you to. And so that way, they can do this without knocking on your door and putting a boot on your face.

So when the time comes, May 7th. May 7th. So that's what they're doing. And it's been this thing because of so many states resisting. I said this was passed in 2005. So we're talking 20 years. And they're finally giving us a deadline to do this. It's because of resistance. So resistance is key. And what's happened is over the years, states have fallen and capitulated.

There are still a few handful of states that are still holding strong and saying, no, if you don't want it, you can still have our state driver's license and not have it be a Real ID compliant license. If your license has the yellow star on it, you're already compliant. And so just as an FYI, that's how you can check if you're Real ID, National ID card compliant. And what they do is they get you. They say, oh, this is to fight terrorism.

This is to fight illegal immigration, like with the E-Verify for jobs and working. Well, what it actually is, it's a database where now— and it's not really about fighting illegal immigration because the biggest part of illegal immigration is the H-1B visas that are overstayed on their welcome. And so they're bringing people here for jobs. What these things like E-Verify and the Real ID are really all about is preventing political enemies of the government from getting jobs.

I actually myself applied for work with the post office. And they sent me back and they said, no, I'm sorry. You failed the FBI background check. And I was like, what are you talking about? I've never been charged, let alone convicted of any type of crime. And why is that? So I actually did a Freedom of Information Act request to get my so-called FBI criminal record from them. And I got a letter back from the FBI saying, we can neither confirm nor deny your record because it would jeopardize national security.

And so that's what this is all about. It's not about stopping illegal immigration or being able to stop terrorism. It's about controlling political enemies.

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Rod Klingler

Rod Klingler has been with Tree of Liberty Society since 2024. Prior to that, he founded and ran Defending Idaho. His reporting on COVID has been vindicated repeatedly. He has edited books for people like Ben McClintock and D. Christian Markham. He currently serves as web dev, editor, and content creator, among other things.

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