The Marc Dutroux Case Part 2

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Our Heavenly Father, thank you for these opportunities with Tree of Liberty training sessions to better educate ourselves so we can better serve you, our Lord. And we ask you for your blessing on this meeting, all the participants and our speaker tonight to help us understand the corruption that's in among us and how we can educate others to this corruption and take other steps to Stop it. We pray this prayer in Jesus' name. Amen.

In 1998, after the press dubbed the two camps believers and disbelievers, all of Belgium became divided on the ex-witness credibility issue. And you remember that these were victims and witnesses who were supposed to have remained anonymous. And then the media outed one of the girls. X one, I believe she was. And, uh, we talked about her Regina Loof. And so she, to her credit said, fine, everybody knows who I am. I'm going to go and testify and tell everything I know. And she went forward and went public. The van van he's murder case was closed. That was the girl, Christine van he's, I mentioned, uh, early in the presentation last week, she was 16 raped multiple times. and tortured well kidnapped and tortured and then she was uh set on tied up and set on fire and burned to death and regina loof was there in person when it happened and was a witness to that the other child murder files brought back in focus by x1's testimony were left untouched and by then the statute of limitations had run out on all of these cases oh yeah and part of what's going on here as well is that um they had if you remember They brought in people to reread or reinterpret actually the testimony that had been given and they cast shade on everything, cast doubt on all the testimonies that had been shared from the witnesses and the victims.

Upon receiving a complaint from a gendarme commander, the cabinet minister's prosecutor's office ordered an inquiry into the X-1 investigation. X-1's interrogators were immediately put on leave. On the first day of the investigation of the investigation, the complaint was found to be unsubstantiated. Yet, the inquiry continued for two years and five months without yielding a single result. X1's investigators, though proven blameless, remained on leave. This is part of what Mark was just talking about, breaking that chain of justice. The same gendarme commander who filed the complaint also ordered a rereading of all the X1 files. even though he was not qualified to do so. The rereading reports suggest that the questions were leading, that the witness had exploited this situation to make up her answers, and that she had transposed elements from her normal everyday life to the horror stories about the network. Early 1998, during a press conference, 11 magistrates solemnly addressed the public. A senior magistrate declared, Everything has been thoroughly examined and X1's testimony is completely worthless. Again, this is Regina Lou. In the book, The X-Files, What Belgium Was Not Supposed to Know About the Dutro Case, the authors examined the entire transcripts of the X1 testimonies and the four reports of the rereading. They were able to establish that the rereaders changed quotes from the transcripts. or used isolated bits of text to prove certain points which lost their validity once the excerpts were seen in their proper context.

Almost none of the conclusions in the rereading reports survived the double-take. It appears that none of the magistrates who condemned X1's testimony bothered to check if the reports were accurate. Gee, it's almost like they didn't care, huh? Like we said, all these people were involved. They were looking for every opportunity to... rid of all of this evidence and put this behind them. In 1998, while being transferred to a courthouse without handcuffs, Dutro managed to escape. He was caught some hours later. Now talk about privilege right there. He's being transferred between prisons or from prison to the courthouse and they didn't even put him in handcuffs. Adding to public frustration was the revelation that another judge in the case, Van Espen, had personal ties to Michelle Nihul. And we kind of mentioned this last time. The Guardian reported that as a lawyer, Van Espen had represented Nihul's wife and Van Espen's sister was the godmother of Nihul's child. Despite this, the Guardian reported, Van Espen did not resign from the case until his relationship with Nihul was publicly revealed in 1998, years into the investigation. Now you can remember, you can recall probably from last week that they had a judge connor wrote who was apparently a really good guy he was actually making things happen in this case and then he attended a fundraiser for well he attended a meeting that was to honor the victims and he hadn't been told it was a fundraiser and so then after he went well then they kicked him off the case because they claimed that he it was a conflict of interest somehow but here you've got all these other actual conflicts of interest that aren't resulting in anything whatsoever Regina Loof, victim. It is so hard for me to share my dissociative disorder with other people.

I'm an expert in hiding my handicaps. And now of all people, I have to explain that I live with different alters in me. I expect that they will declare me absolutely nuts. Still, this doesn't happen. Being taken seriously by these people is new for me. I understand all too well that it is not easy to work with me. I'm bashful, frugal with information. Laugh my fears away. Evade the pain that comes up as soon as I have to talk about the abuse by introducing long silences or simply do not answer. Nobody can know how immensely difficult it is to break with my carefully imposed code of silence and still to testify. So this comment she makes over here about having alters, that's, and she says, dissociative disorder. These people, especially when it comes to satanic ritual abuse. They know certain methods that they can use of extreme torture and violence and, and frightening people that they can cause people to split their minds into different personalities. Oftentimes the victim doesn't even recognize that multiple personalities are there. It's just different personalities come to the forefront when it's convenient. So they have a certain. persona that handles the abuse. And then they've got other ones that may not remember the abuse and it helps them to just deal with things in our everyday life. And that's what she's talking about here. And it's got to be extremely difficult. She says it is to be testifying when she's dealing with such a situation. 99. The New York Times also reported on the book, The X-Files, What Belgium Was Not Supposed to Know About the Detroit Affair, released in 99, which extensively documented the ex-witness's testimony. Quote, the book draws copiously from police files, transcriptions of the ex-witnesses' evidence, the findings of a parliamentary commission and other sources. Even if the way the ex-witnesses testified seemed irrational, the authors say, many of the facts they described stand up to scrutiny. Close quote.

And in the end, isn't it the facts that matter the most, right? They shouldn't have anything to do with how they testified. If what they say is backed up, like I mentioned last week, when this same girl, Regina Loof X one had testified about Christine Van Heese when she, about being there when she was raped and tortured and, and burned to death, that she described the mushroom factory that it took place in, uh, in such detail that the two gentlemen, two of the gentlemen who grew up there as boys, uh, came forward and said, yeah, she absolutely had been there because it was such a weird building with a weird layout that nobody could make it up. And as we listened to her testimony, we were reminded of things that we had forgotten about having lived there. The book asserts that the evidence indicates a huge effort by magistrates and senior police officials to demolish the testimony of the ex-witnesses. The authors infer from this evidence that there was considerable official interest in laying the blame for the pedophile scandal that exploded in 1996 entirely on Marc Dutreau. To admit otherwise, the authors argue, would have allowed the affair to threaten the stability of the nation. A retired prosecutor, Judge Guy Poncelet, said that certain political and judicial authorities, with the help of the state radio and television and much of the press, had deliberately played down disturbing evidence uncovered in the Dutro investigation. 2000. To further complicate matters, the case dragged on in the legal system, reinforcing suspicions of a cover-up. Now, again, to Mark's point about them short-circuiting the justice system, this is part of how they do it. Drag it on, drag it on, drag it on, and then, oh, darn it, statute of limitations is up. Or, oh, now after all these years, we were finally able to dig up some obscure excuse to get out of this case. It happens all the time. Dutro and his accomplices were scheduled for trial in 2000, but the trial did not begin until 2004, 2001.

On October 22nd, 2001, the file named Dutro B was officially split off from the Dutro case. All the issues deferred to this file, including the testimonies of all the ex-witnesses, were not going to be addressed during the trial. The reason it was opened in October 2001 was because the magistrate in charge of the Dutro investigation did not wish to have thousands of hares found in Dutro's dungeons. and cars examined. So he got official permission to open a new Dutro file to which the hairs and other issues, including the ex-witness testimonies, could be transferred. Even though during the trial it became clear that the hairs contained DNA material that could in no way be linked to Dutro, his victims, or anyone of his entourage, the magistrate defended his position by saying that, quote, a DNA investigation would take eight years. 2002. With each successive year in jail without trial, their case against the Belgian authorities for a breach of human rights grows stronger. The official explanation for the delay is that hysterical conspiracy theories forced investigators to search for pedophile networks which didn't exist. But far from being investigated, leads pointing to a network seem rather to have been ignored or buried. 2004. The lawyer of one of the surviving victims stated, Three quarters of the questions we had at the trial in Arlon were answered with, we don't know, but we're going to investigate this in the Dutro B file. Dutro did not go on trial until 2004. Belgian justice is seldom swift, but the delay of almost eight years in bringing Dutro to trial is unusual by any standards.

Most criminal cases come to trial within two years after arrest. Note that eight years number. Remember, we can't investigate it because it would take eight years to look into the DNA evidence, but we could just randomly hold everything off for eight years, though, right? That's acceptable. In testimony, at times rambling and contradictory, Dutro told the jury that all the crimes of which he was accused were carried out by a criminal gang based in the city of Chalera, which had enjoyed police and political protection. Dutreau's lawyers alluded to reports of satanic cults and child sacrifice by shadowy networks. Jean-Marc Connerote choked in tears on the fourth day of the trial, describing the bulletproof vehicles and armed guards needed to protect him against shadowy figures determined to stop the full truth coming out. March 18, 2004, a key to a pair of handcuffs is found near Mr. Dutreau's prison cell, hidden in a bag of salt in a kitchen. The keys fit Mr. Dutreau's cuffs. Then in early June, Dutreau's lawyer sensationally called for the suspension of the trial to give investigators time to confirm the existence of such a child's sex ring. But the request was rejected by the judge a few days later. That gal in the picture there is Sabina Dardin.

She was the 12-year-old who was kept in the dungeon underneath one of Dutreau's homes and drugged and raped. June 22nd, Mark Dutroux, the Belgian electrician who raped and murdered several young girls eight years ago, was sentenced to life in prison on Tuesday in an emotional courtroom scene. Mr. Dutroux's former wife, Michelle Martin, 44, was sentenced to 30 years in prison. Michelle Laliavre, 33, was sentenced to 25 years. The last co-defendant, Michelle Nahul, 63, a businessman, was sentenced to five years. Okay. So pay attention. You've got, um, a life sentence for Dutro. You've got 30 years for Michelle Martin, and then you've got a conspirator here and, and, uh, another guy that helped take part in what was going on. He was sentenced to 25 years and then Michelle, the whole five for some reason. Nahul was acquitted of charges connected to kidnapping, but was convicted of being part of a ring that trafficked drugs and people into Belgium. So he's part of a drug trafficking ring. He's part of a human trafficking ring, and he only gets sentenced to five years. November 26, 2004, the Dutro B file was officially closed, again without ever being investigated.

The parents of one of the murdered children reacted and bittered to the closing of the Dutro B file. Quote, we can still hear those beautiful words uttered in Alon, where it was solemnly stated that serious leads would be further investigated in the Dutro B file. In the higher circles of the justice system, they apparently thought otherwise. Close quote. 2005. Jean-Michel Nihoul, who I just pointed out had just been sentenced to five years, was released on parole on the 28th of April, 2005. So if he went to jail at all, he barely served but a few months. 2009. Publication of many of the prosecution's records by WikiLeaks in 2009. 2012. The ex-wife and accomplice of Marc Dutroux, the child murderer whose crimes horrified Belgium in the 1990s, will be freed after serving half her jail time, a Belgian court ruled, on Tuesday, 2015. A former Belgian judge said Tuesday he will risk controversy and rent out part of his home to the former wife and accomplice of Belgium's notorious serial child killer, Marc Dutroux. Now, I just want to mention right here. Um, first of all, she was gonna originally go to, uh, be let out of prison early and then be allowed to go stay in a convent with some nuns. And then, um, then there was controversy. And then I think a different convent a little bit later said, Oh, well, we'll take her instead. And she went to stay with them. And so she wasn't actually serving this quote unquote half of her time. She wasn't, she was actually staying. in a convent with a bunch of nuns. And the only restriction on her was that she had to go to psychiatric counseling or something.

So anyways, at this point, the nuns are moving to Brussels. They don't want to bring her with them. And then she does, in fact, move on to the property of this judge. He's a guy by the name of Christian Pongier. And he's also a lawyer and a professor in the same time, in the same place where all of... and Michelle Martin's crimes took place. And in fact, in 2013, this is 2015 that we're quoting from on the screen here. So two years prior, he was publicly advocating for eliminating the prison system because quote, in his words, prison deprives the inmate, not only of their liberty, but also of their dignity, their emotional and sexual life visits from loved ones and work. Oh, those poor criminals. And then a year or two after Michelle Martin's release, a reporter followed up saying, although he claims to have very little contact with Mark Dutro's former accomplice, she has nevertheless confided in him, quote, a number of, I'm sorry, a number of serious things that he cannot for ethical reasons reveal. He explains, however, that he has refrained from acting as a moral advisor or judge. God forbid, because the last thing we want is for somebody to advocate morality to somebody like this, whose life choices have included being an accomplice to kidnapping, torture, rape, and murder of women and children, right? Okay, let's continue. 2019, Michelle Nahul served just one year of his sentence and then died years later in 2019. And I pointed out he did not even serve a year, but then he died of a heart attack. And it's possible, although I don't know if there's evidence, but it's possible that he was another in this line of mysterious deaths related to this case. Michel Lalear, 48, the former accomplice of infamous Belgian pedophile Marc Dutroux, who was released from prison earlier in December, was physically attacked on Wednesday around noon in the Brussels municipality of Anderlecht. So after serving 15 of the 25 years that he was sentenced to jail for, he gets out and then two weeks later, somebody attacks him, which I think is great. I think that people need to take justice into their own hands when it's not being dealt by the justice system.

At the very least, I don't cry over it. The lawyer of convicted pedophile and child murderer, Mark Dutrow, Bruno Dye. has revealed that his client will not be pursuing parole based on a psychiatric report, which states Dutro still represents too great a danger to society. According to a 90-page report compiled by three psychiatric experts who had been tasked with assessing the inmate's mental health, Dutro is a sadistic psychopath who has no remorse for his many victims. As a result, the report unequivocally states that the parole application process should be abandoned. 2022. While Michelle Martin got a 30-year sentence, she only served 16 years in jail. She enjoyed an early release in August 2012, but under conditions. She had to accept psychological counseling, could not make any statements in the media, and was not allowed to seek contact with the victim's friends or family. Martin moved to a convent to prepare a new life. The conditions were imposed for 10 years, and this term is coming to an end now. Martin will be a free woman next Friday. So notice, she enjoyed an early release in August 2012. When was the sentencing? It was in 2004, which means that she did not serve 16 years in jail. She at most served eight years in jail. And that's a maybe as well. That's a big maybe. And what are her stipulations? Get some counseling. Don't talk to the victim's friends or families.

Okay, like she was going to do that anyways, right? And so 10 years of whoop-dee-doo, you got to get some counseling. And oh, now we're going to celebrate that she's free. Stupid. And that is the end, my friends. That's how it ends right there. This is all, again, like I said, to the point that Mark was making earlier about the short-circuiting of the justice system. This is the way. that things happen these people they they they cover each other's backs and that's what keeps them going and doing what they do because they know that at some level they're going to be protected and sometimes especially when it goes super public you know they've still got to look for excuses and ways to cover this you know cover stories to cover up what they're going to do to let them off or whatever And so it doesn't always happen quickly, but it happens. I mean, again, in Michelle Martin's case, maybe eight years of a 30 or 33 year prison sentence, right? That's nothing. That's nonsense. And she was a part of, again, kidnapping, torture, rape, murder. That's not anything that someone should be out on the streets after ever, right? Not let alone after just a measly eight years in prison. I know a guy personally. who got in a fight over a girl and shot a guy and killed him. He served 25 years in jail. I was here in America, not Belgium, but 25 years. He got out and was the happiest guy in the world because he spent his whole time avoiding the gangs and studying his scriptures. But 25 years, he killed one person. This woman was an accomplice to multiple kidnapping, rape, torture, and murder cases and only served maybe eight. It's horrific and disgusting. So anyways, I apologize for having to bring up all these awful details. If you go and start investigating though, the Jeffrey Epstein files, if you look into a lot of these other things that have taken place when SRA cases come up that people are discussing, dig into them and look at the details and you'll start to see all the connections.

That's one of the reasons, again, that I feel that this is so important because we need to see that The same things are happening there during the time of the so-called satanic panic in the 80s. There were a few people that came forward and they described a lot of the same details of events. But then it was discovered that or revealed that they had the same psychologist and she was a hypnotherapist. And so then that was when people came up with this cockamamie claim that, oh, she was. Planting memories, right? And so maybe, I mean, if they were the only cases and those things happened and the only reason that they were similar was because they were planted by the exact same therapist, maybe. But when you've got all these cases from all over the world that I personally have studied from all over the place, from Scotland and Ireland and England and Belgium and America, obviously, and other places, France. And they're all telling the same thing and they're not happening at the same time frame. They're years and years and years apart. And the ages of the victims coming forward are just all over the spectrum. There's no way that you can convince me personally that this is something that's just being made up. There is no proof of enough connections between those things other than their testimonies of what happened to them. Mark, you had your hand up a minute ago.

Did you have a comment you wanted to make? Yes. We need to approach crime and injustice like a criminologist or a detective to help expose it and then a first step towards prosecution and justice, punishment. So what does a criminologist often do? They look for, as Ben... talks about patterns you look for uh and modus operandi there's certain modes operandi for different crimes and you look for these so you're helping to point out the different ways of injustice to protect this these vicious savage criminal criminals and that they use uh i i wanted i've seen almost everything you've seen or cited the different strategies to prevent justice or a short circuit as you call it I've seen it many times. There are patterns. The Michael New case, where he, I don't know how many of you are familiar with him, during the Clinton administration, he refused to work, to fight for the United Nations when he signed up to be an American soldier. I do remember that now. Yep. Yeah, bait and switch. And he fought, or they gave him dishonorable discharge. And he legally had everything on his side, the statute of law, the constitution, everything. They had no right to force him to change his allegiance to a foreign nation. And he'd be under the control of military generals from Germany, I think it was at the time. And so what happened with the point, the reason I brought him up, he had to fight. And much of his defense was small donations for people like myself. He fought in the military courts for five years or so. And then he went to the civil courts. They drug his case out for 10 years. And so it kind of disappeared in the media because there was some freedom fighters who were trying to get the truth out of the media. And by the time the truth came out, And they just watered down his punishment slightly. And so that's one of their strategies. A great point of pointing out a sentence isn't a serving of a sentence. And we see this over and over again. One of the weak links or the chain. And let me talk about that chain or the short circuit, as you call it. This shows you how much control they have. They can stop it at different locations that justice prospered.

They can stop it in the grand juries. They can corrupt the presentations of the grand juries. They can stop it in the trials, like the Bundy trials, where evidence wasn't allowed and so much other corruption was occurring. They can stop it once they're punished. And one thing you didn't mention is that these sentences were cut way down. How do we know they're served? There's no observation. You know, the other prisoners aren't going to report this guy's not serving here. And I think that's part of the well, that's I'm sorry to cut you off. I wanted to make a point here, though, which is that if you've been paying attention again to the Epstein situation, that's the deal with with Ghislaine Maxwell. Right. That they're telling us that she's in jail and then somebody sees her somewhere and gets a video of her being out and about. And so the, like the very next day, a stupid cockamamie story comes out through the associated press that her cellmate says she stinks. The only reason for such a stupid, stupid story like that to make it into a, the major press is to be a cover story to help, uh, to be a supporting agent for their cover story. She's in jail. That's what everybody thinks. So we have to prove it because how could her cellmate say she stinks if she's not in jail, right? But people got video of her out and about on the street. They called her name and she turned her head. She responded when they called her name, right? It was pretty obvious that it was her. In fact, she was with... Well, anyway, I'm sorry. I just wanted to point that out. Let me give you another example of that. John McCain. John McCain was shot down during the war. uh what was it vietnam i believe and uh they call him a hero he didn't do anything heroic in fact uh he led an action on a carrier led to a death of others and he should have been uh court -martialed for that but that's a different point but here's the point he was separated from all the other pows that were shot i don't do i don't know if you know this history and they and he had he had an injury i think a broken arm or stuff like that and and But that wasn't why they separated, because they didn't separate the other flyers that were captured. And he served his entire time away from all the other POWs. When they were finally returned the POWs, he was in great shape health-wise in appearance and so forth.

And some of the, not for me, but some of the other POWs. are confident through numbers or bits of evidence they have that when he was captured, it was reported from other POW at the time that he said to those communist capturers that he was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Well, the communists know very well Council on Foreign Relations, well, the organizations of the communist revolution of the grand conspiracy. And so right there, and his father, his father was a member of Admiral. And so right there was probably why they were separating, because he's on their side. The communists are controlled by the grand conspiracy. I didn't remember the CFR connection, but I had been a John McCain supporter at first. And then I remember that the there was a big group of other POWs that had been there and knew him and served with him who were against him. And they all banded together and formed some little political action group to try and get the proof, the evidence about him, the truth about him out. But I forgot about the CFR connection. He revealed secrets. But anyway, but the. That's why I brought the Hilton earlier. I was thinking of McCain. The others served in a horrible, horrible prison. They call it the Hanoi Hilton. Hanoi Hilton, right. He may have very much served his sentence on the real Hilton. Hotel. Yeah, that's a good point. It's just an interesting note. I found a book a while back and it was a little autobiography of a guy, a Mormon guy who had been a POW in the Hanoi Hilton. And so I'm reading this little book and come to find out that he was from Burley, Idaho. And that's where my mom grew up. So I called her up and I was like, mom, do you know this guy's name? Oh yeah, that was my brother's best friend.

And he was one who did go to in the actual Hanoi Hilton and where they were, they were tortured and physically abused and starved and things like that. So definitely not what John McCain went through. Do we have any other comments, anything that anybody wants to say or discuss or ask about what we've talked about tonight or from last week with the case? I know we had some discussion going on before I wrapped up the final bit there. Anybody else have anything? Yeah, Mark. Yes, one last point. So we have these Epstein hearings in Congress. They're supposedly trying to seek out justice and expose and see if the crimes are committed. So who do they have testified? All the accused. They had Epstein's wife. They had both Clinton, Clinton, Hillary, and Bill. Bill is all over, like Trump, is all over the Epstein. papers that were released files right and so in a true justice trial you have the witnesses you have the evidence none of the witnesses were allowed to testify only those that were accused were allowed and all they said well i didn't do it oh okay that's good enough for us and and that really has substituted for trials and there's some of the um there are some trials going on but some of the victims have been threatened that they will be sued for liable. Whether it's liable or slander or not, the enemy has billions of dollars to defend their trials, and they could go bankrupt just fighting for justice over those counter suits. Yep. That's exactly right. And that's one of the weapons that they use. Just exactly what you said right there. We've got all the money in the world.

We know we're in the wrong, but we're going to kill you trying to prove that you're right. You're trying to prove your innocence. And most of us, the little people, we don't have enough money to defend ourselves in the courts. Carmen, you got your hand up? I have a question. First of all, is there some sort of legal court hearings going on right now? about Fauci and being questioned. And he's always saying, you know, claiming the fifth amendment, some sort of court proceedings going on right now. Yeah, there are, there are right now. And here's the thing though, with that, that just like what happens with everybody else is exactly what's happening with Fauci. They are, and it's what it's, it's just what Mark was explaining right there. Um, the guy who's guilty is, giving testimony to a panel of other co-conspirators. So they put on a dog and pony show to pretend like justice is being served. Absolutely nothing will come of it, period. And one of the ways I know that, like with Fauci, I have mentioned this to people before. I've seen people ask, why did they get Fauci involved with this? Well, I did a bunch of research during COVID and discovered that I started digging into the PCR tests and I found video of the man, the scientist who invented the PCR. It's not a test. And he, that in his own words, that's what he says. First of all, it's not a test, but he invented the PCR diagnostic tool. And one of the things that he said was, and this is way before COVID, the guy died before COVID ever happened. And he was on a video saying, that Fauci is an idiot and I'll tell that to his face. And so then I dug into that. Why would he feel that way? Well, he testified that they rolled Fauci out in the 80s to tell all the sodomites that the PCR could detect AIDS when it is not. a test.

They were using the PCR to test for HIV slash AIDS and then pumping them full of drugs and killing them. Okay. So the, the same fraudulent pretext that he did that he sold to the public in the eighties, he did the literally the exact same thing for COVID. Hey, here's the test. Oh no, the test finds it. Everybody's ill. Everybody has to come get the, the MRNA vaccines now. Right. There was an end result they wanted. They got him to come in and BS everybody officially. But all the people that put him in that position know that he was a liar. So that's why no justice will come of it this time. Because no justice will ever come from co-conspirators. I'm sorry, Carmen, did you have something else you wanted to say? Yeah, in connection with that question is, is anybody aware that... now that fauci is going through some sort of legal courtroom proceedings so yes now it's established and i've got some i've seen some videos on facebook reels um stuff like that okay to make me question well i haven't read anything about it and so i actually did a search and there is i haven't found a um like cnn I haven't found anything with their reporting it. Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, because if they don't, they are the makers of the news. You have to understand that. Yeah. If they don't tell you it's happening, it never happened. It happens, yeah. You can't provide a news story to prove it. Right. So people don't believe you. I have seen it talked about some in certain circles, but it's only in circles like us of people who are hyper aware. We're actively participating in, you know, or paying attention to what's going on.

And we're the ones that are kind of following this. We hate Fauci already. We want to see him come to justice. Right. And the rest of the world's like, oh, what's on TV? Oh, hey, there's, you know, this great big fancy movie coming out or whatever. Who cares? That's that's the way they do it, though. They make it a non-story by ignoring it. One of the... one of the videos that I did see, uh, that Rand Paul is demanding he be arrested immediately. Yeah. Him and Thomas Massey and I don't know, uh, Laura Loomer or somebody, there was like three or four of them together that were doing that. But I still feel, I personally feel like that is part of the dog and pony show. The pretending that we want to bring people to justice. And I think that, I think that Ben would back me up on that as well. It's not anything that nothing's going to actually happen. And Rand Paul, you'll want to talk to Ben about this one, but there's been a lot of things that he's done over the years. Like he, people like me had, had a high hopes for him because we loved Rand Paul so much over, or Ron Paul, his father so much over the years, but Rand is not his dad. And he's he's supported a lot of things that he should never have supported and done things that he never should have done. And so to see him come out like this, I feel like it's just a matter of what do the people want to see? OK, let's do it. Let's put on a show and do it. I believe personally that these think tanks in Washington, this is the kind of stuff that they're thinking about. How do what do we do? What's the next step in the show? Right. How do we keep how do we keep everybody watching? first of all, and then how do we keep them distracted while we don't bring it to justice? Mark, you got your hand up again?

Yes, a few quick points here. One of the strategies of the conspiracy is to have front people to protect the elected officials. And so during COVID-19, we saw over and over again that it was the germ, the bug, that was the guilty party. It was the health departments. It was so many of the unelected, the most accountable elected officials were the governors. But when they all teamed together and supported the same thing, that protected all of them. Now, what's really important with Fauci, so he called, he cited the Fifth Amendment, why he doesn't need to speak. And there are doctors and many others that have evidence that he did. was involved and paid for the, what do they call the weaponization of this bug, gain of function, gain of function. And, you know, so, and then he had a major role in the tyranny. He advocated for all the lockdowns and so forth. Now, it wasn't just him. He was the front man for the White House task force. Who was the elected official behind all of that? It was President Trump. Trump chose Fauci. And he hyped up that Operation Warp Speed as well, right, for ruling it out? Right. Yes. It's so much more than what I said. You're right. And so this helps protect the politician that is somewhat, you know, even with voter fraud, is somewhat vulnerable if the fingers pointed at him. But the politicians, the person. that put these people there. And then, of course, the conspiracy put the politician there. But the last point here on that. Well, hold on. Before we go on from that one, this is to the point that Lori was making earlier, the question that she was asking earlier, which is that you have the people, the conspiracy that says this is what we're going to do. And then you have the peons that do it. And the peons are the ones that go to jail and suffer the consequences. When it's actually these guys up here that are in charge. And so that's what I was talking about when I was saying there's, there is a grand conspiracy and it's all related. Well, when you put your fingers out, they don't feel like they're all related right hand to left hand, but they're all connected to the brain. That's where the grand conspiracy is.

And it's always the little peons that are the ones that, that get the brunt of it. It's almost never anybody at the top. Go ahead, Mark. And seldom are those peons elected officials. and they are very low levels because you can't get a pattern of going after elected officials so we we have to blame uh the health health departments and things like that people appointed all all the time but the you know this uh how can we go after fauci anyway because none of these doctors and evidence of his crimes are coming forward but what he what he mainly did was advanced charity of all sorts led leading to the death of men arguably millions just here in America. But he's not an elected official, so how can somebody impose tyranny unless they're elected official? Because the elected official put him in that front position, point man. But the last point I wanted to make, how can we also go after the person that the President of the United States awarded with what he called the greatest honor that any American can receive, the presidential Medal of Freedom. And Trump has tried to tap dance his way out of that. The last day in office, he gave that to several of the members of that White House task force, including Burke. Burke, you know, she played a major role in all these lies and tyranny advancement as well. And so Trump said, and I think to a great extent, he says it's a higher honor than... the congressional medal honor i disagree congressional medal ours is for the military uh uh valor and courage but he says the greatest honor america could give anybody and he gave it to him on the last day he was in office office so if the president thinks he's the greatest america greatest achievement in other words it's basically it's a man that somebody that's given to the nation to the people of our nation something that is extraordinary And so it's kind of hard to go after somebody like that when you give them the highest honor possible.

And I mentioned, hold on, Carmen, one sec, I'll give it to you in a second. But I mentioned last week how they reward these people. And they have to let other people know that they will be rewarded if they do the things that the conspiracy tells them to do. So like on 9-11, if you've researched that. Um, I highly recommend there's a video called, uh, nine 11, the new Pearl Harbor. I have it. If you can't find it, it was made by an Italian filmmaker, uh, Masimo. Uh, um, I can't remember his last name. It's a difficult Italian one, but anyways, Masimo. Um, but, uh, in that video, he, he shows how all these guys that got put into these positions and did these horrible things. They were, they were the key, uh, the hinge points. on which the whole plan rested. It couldn't have happened if these guys hadn't gone along with it. And even though after it happened, the story was, oh, negligence and ignorance and all this kind of stuff. Every single one of them, just within a couple of years after 9-11, got promoted, got major promotions in the military and whatever other places that they were serving in the Department of Justice and whatever. All of them, major promotions, even though the story had been at the time that they were all just ignorant and neglectful and all this kind of stuff. Like I said, there's a pattern there. Pay attention because that's how it works.

They have to show everybody else that A, they're going to be protected and not go to jail and B, they're going to be benefited and promoted by obeying the conspiracy and doing what they're told. Carmen, go ahead. We'll make this. Let's have this be the last. comment and then I can go ahead and close the recording time. That's all I was going to say. Time's up. Oh, perfect. Yeah. Okay. We're going to close and we've already got a little over. So I think we'll just save the rest of our discussion for next week when brother Ben is back with us and feeling better. Thanks to everybody for being here. I really appreciate all of the questions and the conversation that really helps to just make it more real and help us to ingest everything and, and to make it a part of who we are, part of our psyche so that we can. assimilate everything i i personally have a am a strong promoter of the idea that you should have a broad knowledge of subjects and because the more you know about various things that seem unrelated the easier it is to start to see how they are related

heavenly father we are grateful to have been able to come together this evening and to discuss these things and um and be able to bring it all to a close here And Heavenly Father, we hate that these things are real, that they happen in this world in which we live. And we ask you to help us to know what things we can do to help shine a light in these dark corners and to bring these people to justice and to help and protect the victims and the witnesses. We pray for people to come forward and have courage and be able to say and do whatever needs to come forward to the public so that we can. start to bring this all to a more mainstream knowledge so that people will understand that these kinds of things happen. The, the, the abuse and particularly the satanic ritual abuse, as we discussed last week, that these things are real. They really happen and help us to. bring more righteousness into the world through our own lives and our own actions so that we can have light in the areas where we live. Help us to protect our families and our friends. Help us to take this knowledge that we've gained and to use it somehow for our benefit, the benefit of those around us. We thank you once again for all that we have. We pray for Ben, for his health, that he'll be able to recover quickly. And we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.